Summary of Results- Yoder DNA Project, Updated as of Apr. 27, 2009
See Chart at: http://www.yodernewsletter.org/DNA%20Summary.htm
1) “I1c” HAPLOGROUP IDENTIFIED
FOR ANCIENT YODER FAMILY: In human genetics, Haplogroup
I is native to the Middle East and
Another reference at: http://lewissurnamednaproject.com/haplogroups.htm Says:
I1c families are found thinly spread throughout
For info on the Venus figures see: http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeology/artifacts/venusfigurines.html .
2) UNIQUE MARKER FOR EARLY AMISH
IMMIGRANTS: For the 1742 Amish Yoders, we see that
there is a unique pre-immigrant mutation at Marker 19- a value of
“16” instead of the 15 shared by the other matching Yoders. This applies both within the children of YR2
Christian Yoder (c1700-1775) as well as those of YR1- (name not known) who "died at
sea” and left a “Widow Barbara" as head of the family. The
other 18th century unlinked Amish man Yost Yoder (YRB) also shares
this mutation - implying that he was descended from a common ancestor as YR1
and YR2. C.Z. Yoder wrote in his
1932 book that when Yost’s son Christian married
Triangulation of results from some of the 19th century immigrant Yoders may give us a clue on those. One of the prime candidates as an ancestor of the 1742 Amish was the Jacob Joder who married Margreth Stehli (son of Jost b. 1607, son of Caspar who m. Margret Hennig). The results from our Steffisburg born Joder (who is a descendant of this Jacob) seems to have ruled him out as forebear or the Amish line. See as Follows:
Our Swiss testee, who was born in Steffisburg, has shared his detailed ancestry.
- Jost Joder 1607 (who m. Anna Trachsel)
-- Jakob Joder 1652 who m. Margreth Stehli
---Ullrich Joder 1702
----Ullrich Joder 1743
-----Christian Joder 1789
This Jakob was one of the potential parents of YR1 and YR2 who was discussed in the YNL 11 and 12 article by Rachel Kreider:
For the present day descendant to have a
marker 19 value of "15" this means Jakob
who m. Margreth Stehli
would have shared that value. If effect, this RULES OUT this Jakob Joder as a parent of
the 18th century Amish Yoder line. I had been inclined to place my bets on him,
as quoted from YNL29: "STAHLEYS: First off, there is a Stahley
connection to the Amish Yoder immigrants of 1742---namely the Christian Yoders YR2 and YR23 settled on property in
(There is a second Jakob Joder who married Verena Kauffman and is about the same age, but only one of them could have been Jost's son. We don't know at this point what the ancestry of the second Jakob was).
A test result from a Yotter, who descended from the Eppstein Germany Yotter line seems to rule out another son of Jost:
- Jost Joder 1607 (who m. Anna Trachsel)
-- Christian who m. 1684 Barbara Gerber
----Christian Jotter b. 1720
------Heinrich b. 1750
----------Heinrich b. 1777
Three results show the marker of
“16” which links to the 1742 Amish Yoders!
The first of these is a descendant of YRC (Michel Yoder born 1788) has a
profile returned which INCLUDES the unique marker 19 value of "16"
which has been seen to be a pre-immigrant generation marker for the 1742 Amish
immigrant Yoders. Michel is reportedly a great-great
grandson of the Caspar Joder
who married Verena Stauffer (son of Jost who m.
Michel's father Samuel wrote the letter to "Schweitzer Christian"
(YR23) in which he referred to him as "Dear cousin". A second result from a believed
descendant of Caspar and Verena
is for a descendant of Joseph Ioder who settled in Bureau Co,
In the line of a second son of Jost Joder and Anna Trachsel, a descendant of Alsatian YA4 has results returned which also show the marker 19 value of "16". YA4 is included as a "possible" descendant of Hans Joder (son of the Jost above) who married Katherine Russer.
What does this all mean? It seems very unlikely that both Hans and Caspar independently experienced an identical genetic mutation. One or the other is perhaps in error. Well, we hope to have a better idea when test results come in from other descendants of these two Steffisburg Joders.
Caspar's documented descent can bee seen at: http://www.yodernewsletter.org/court/spfalz.html
And Han's descent can be seen at: http://www.yodernewsletter.org/court/france.html
There seems no easily visible place for YR1 and YR2 within this data.
Coming forward in these Amish lines, one mutation occurred within 25 markers during one of the intervening generations in the YR12 line, and two within the YR25 sample (the two variations under the 464 marker technically count only as one). Without further samples we do not know the generation in which the mutations occurred.
3) PROFILE FOUND FOR “MOST RECENT COMMON ANCESTOR”: The Yoder 67 marker profile with a “15” in marker 19 appears in a wide array of Yoder lines. It appears in ALL the Yoder lines EXCEPT for the 18th century Amish, and later immigrants who arrived in the 19th century. Either the pattern with a marker 19 of "15" or of "16" represents a branch off of a more ancient ancestral line. It would be a reasonable hypothesis at this point that the "Amish" profile (the one with a marker 19 of "16") is the variance (aka mutation), and that the profile with Marker 19 value of "15" is the more ancient of the two. Enough results are back for us to identify the “67 Marker Y DNA Profile” for Caspar Joder who was b. in 1571.
5) AT LEAST SOME YORDY/YORTY/YOTTYs LINKED TO JODERS: The surname Jordi
appears in several villages not far from Steffisburg.
Families with this surname settled in Anabaptist communities in
So far we have several testees
from the Yordy/Yotty family from
A second 25 marker profile has been
received for a descendant of a the earlier immigrant line of the Peter Yorty who was in Lancaster Co, PA. by 1717. These match to
those of the first and confirm a common ancestor for both of the Yorty branches with the Steffisburg
Joders. There is also a match for ONE of the sons of
Christian Yotty who came to
6) UNEXPECTED RESULTS SEEN IN TWO OLEY YODER BRANCHES: The spread sheet has been reorganized to make it easier to see how the different profiles reveal themselves under the Oley descent. Five samples from the line of Hans (OH1), son of Hans of the Oley line DO NOT show a match to the rest of the Yoders, while one sample does match as would be expected (that of OH112). It appears that in two non-matching lines, there may have been an unrecorded adoption. Descendants of two different sons of George Yoder (OH132) show a matching distinct profile. A descendant of George’s brother Peter (OH133) also matches this profile. As OH1 ties to the Steffisburg profile, these results appear to establish that OH13- Samuel Yoder, was an adopted child of Hans Jr.
Two descendants of OH14526 have an additional distinct matching DNA result which differs from the more ancient Yoder profile. In this line the samples substantiate that the variant DNA profile was initiated NO LATER THAN Henry S. Yoder (OH14526) who is the common ancestor between the two testees. As a descendant of OH112 matches to the “normal” Yoder profile, this indicates the variant profile was introduced NO EARLIER THAN Peter Yoder, (OH14). (UPDATE: SEE ITEM 15 FOR THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION!!)
The Oley Yost samples back shows a 25 for 25 match to the Steffisburg Yoder, and on markers 26-37 seems to match the values of the most recent common Yoder ancestor of all lines.
7) YETTERS/YEATERS/YATERS- We do have instances in history where Yoder became Yetter and vice versa. One of these appears in the OH112 line- with a DNA confirmation of Yoder links.
have not been linked by documentation to the Yoder line, and the DNA supports
that they have a separate profile. SAMUEL YETTER OF
8) THE MELCHIOR LINE: Results have been received from two sons of Melchior Yoder. One is from the family of his son Jacob Yoders whose family is today the only one which uses the "Yoders" spelling. The other two are from the J. Peter Yoder. Mutations appear in individual markers, but the value of two of three for each marker shows that a profile for Melchior himself had neither of these mutations, but rather exactly matched the 25 marker mutation of "Pure Yoder"- shared in common by Conrad Yoder of North Carolina, The Mennonite Hans Yoder of Great Swamp, our Steffisburg cousin's ancestry, and the Oley progenitor.
9) A SAMPLE FROM A STEFFISBURG, SWITZERLAND JODER: The 25 markers for this gentleman match exactly those of the Conrad, Melchior, Oley and Mennonite lines above (the ones I referred to as “Pure Yoder” and as belonging to the “Most Recent Common Yoder Ancestor”. This gentleman is the descendant of Jacob Joder who married Margreth Stehli, son of Jost b. 1607, son of Caspar who m. Margret Hennig. This represents the first grandson of Caspar and Margret to be “ruled out” as progenitor for the Amish lines.
10) Family Tree announced an upgrade test to 67 Y DNA markers, and we selectively tested at this level for certain lines. So far we have found no unique markers at the 67 level which helps differential between immigrants of sons of the Steffisburg families.
By triangulating the results
from descendants of at least two sons of each 18th century Yoder
immigrant, we have been able to see what the actual Y-DNA profile was for the
immigrant himself. This chart
summarizes these families. We see that there is a 67 marker exact match
between Adam Yoder (father of Oley Yost and Hans), Hans of
statistical chart provide by the Family Tree test lab which is provide below shows the
following probability for to number of generations to the “Most Recent
Common Ancestor (MRCA)”. In other words, for Conrad, Hans of
66 of 67 markers match = 50% probability of MRCA no more than 4 generation
= 90% probability of MRCA no more than 8 generation
67 of 67 markers match = 50% probability of MRCA no more than 2 generation
= 90% probability of MRCA no more than 4 generation
12) Results back from a descendant of Abraham Yoder who married Catherine Troutman supports the belief that he may have been a son of OH135 (Abraham Yoder who married Hannah Leiss) as it matches the distinctive OH13 (Samuel Yoder) profile.
13) Results back from a
descendant of George Yoder (bc1842-
2/18/1870 age 39 years) who m. Mary A. Miller (1846VT- ) bur. Freeport City
Cemetery, shows that he WAS NOT from the Amish Yoder line, as he does
not share the “16” value at marker 19. He had previously been
identified as “YR1272122”. One speculated identification at this
point is that he could have been from the line of OY426- George Yoter (Yoder) of Venango Co,
14) Results back from a
descendant of Adam Yoder who married Harriet Isanhart
(“AD”- AD- Adam Yoder b. 2/28/1818 PA m. 1/22/1843 by S B Clark ,
Seneca Co, OH to Harriet A. Isanhart (6/20/1821-5/30/1911
bur. Floral Grove Cem. Pioneer,OH)
d. 5/26/1858 Feaselburg Cem.
15) Results received in March
2007 for a descendant of Jacob Yoder of
OH14- Peter Yoder m. 12/7/1762 1st Reformed Church Philadelphia Eve Levan ( - will made 9/21/1819,probated 11/5/1819) will made 9/8/1809, probated 10/16/1809. (Peter Yoder m. Eva Levan 12/7/1762 both from Berks Co by Rev. Frederich Rothenbuehler)
OH141- Susanna b. m. 11/3/1789
Daniel Hoch (10/29/1755- 10/7/1835) d. <9/8/1809 bur
OH142- Catherine b. m1. ______ Wildbahn m2. Joseph Levan d. >1809 < 9/21/1819
OH143- Hannah b. 11/3/1767 m. 12/18/1787 Jacob Schraeder (Schroeder) d. May 1,1853 85y-5m-29d Pleasantville Union Cemetery
OH144- Anna Maria b. 7/7/1773 m. 6/21/1791 Jacob Focht (Vogt) d. 3/13/1863 Huff's Union Church,
+OH145- John b. m. Sep.1,1803
+OH146- Jacob- b. (John to give brother $2,000 per fathers will)
In this instance, the DNA test itself has actually established the specific ancestry of one of our major “unlinked” Yoder lines. It has also established that Peter himself (OH14) was the source of the variant profile, and that he (like his brother George (OH13)) IS NOT the natural son of OH1 John Yoder!!!
16) The two George Yoders of
YR12718- George Yoder (9/13/1831 Canton,OH- 5/11/1911)
(3/20/1833 Butler Co, O-1/6/1913
at res. of Dau.
Ida) (Polly d/o George Bodenmoyer &
Henninger)(Geo. lived OH to 1870 then moved to Stephenson Co.
-- GAR Volunteer from Mercer Co., OH A 71st Inf
(Reference: 1860 Mercer Co,O-next to George Babenmyer of Pa; 1880
& 1900 Census-Il; Polly ("Paulie") obit; Andrew obit, Collen O'Byrne
Charts-6/00- "Schuler-Bobenmyer Clan-Book:1758-1917" )
Frederick (12/25/1863 O-
Nettie Springman Freeport res.
17) Daniel Yothers
18) A DNA test from a descendant
of a Yoder who immigrated from
19) The first test by a descendant of YR17- John Yoder who married Anna Mast shows the second incidence among the Amish line Yoders of a “reverse mutation” from the Amish marker 19 value of “16” – back to the more ancient vale of “15”. Several other mutations appear in the 7 male generations born to this line since YR1. the first test was from the YR177 line. A second test from the YR17a line shows an exact match to the Amish 12 marker profile and confirmed the reverse mutation took place in the YR177 line and did not exist with YR17 himself. A third test is in process with a YR174 descendant.
20) As a part of testing a
descendant of Benjamin F Yoder, son of Moses (b 9/12/1824) and Eliza of
21) A test in the line of - John Yoder of Oley b. c1808 m. 2/23/1834 Lydia Measter (suspected OH13214) brings a results which supports him being who we’ve felt he was by lining up with the OH13 profile.
21) The first test from the line
of Alsatian Yoder Christian Yoder who married Barbara Schott (unlinked line
YA2) establishes that this line has the “Amish marker” (Value
“16” at DNA marker “19”). This ties him in to either
the line of Hans Joder who married Katherine Reusser, or of his brother
22) OH1331bb Albert L Yoder
(1860-1923) buried at
in this line places it clearly in the OH13 family, with a one position mutation.
23) Andrew Yoder Family of
Jackson Twp, Lycoming Co,
Yoder lines is
a family in Lycoming County,
Steffisburg lines! I am presently trying to gather material for a good introductory article on this batch of confirmed Yoder cousins. A descendant is now in testing through a second son.
24) Frederick Yoder (B)- a second 25 marker test has been received from a
different son of
25) Tests is two lines of Alsatian immigrant “Capt Joseph Yoder” have been received, one from YA14 and one from YA13. Both match to the other exactly, but NOT to the common Joder Swiss profile. Either this points to another “Joder” origin or a “non paternal event” in the Capt. Joseph line.
26) A test by a German Joder, who believes his ancestry is to be found in the Catholic Joder family of Hecken has returned a unique profile which does not match any other. The closest ones it can be compared to are those for YA1, however comparison by an expert at Family Tree DNA indicates that the two profiles are not indicative of a common male ancestor.
27) Contributions are very welcome to continue and expand the testing of various lines. You can make your contribution at: http://www.familytreedna.com/contribution.html (Mark yours for “The Yoder DNA Project”.)